Comments on: 20 Theses against green capitalism

By: Cop-enhagen: Seattle’s coming of age party? « Resonance

Cop-enhagen: Seattle’s coming of age party? « Resonance — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:37:57 +0000

[...] The build up to this years UN conference on Climate change, the COP-15 in Copenhagen, was huge. Both mainstream and alternative media were abuzz with predictions and discussions on the conference and the ,almost obligatory, counter-mobilisation. Many months were spent deliberating over whether to shut the conference down or try and enter (with the latter winning out). Would this, as Naomi Klein argued, be the culmination of the alter-globalisation movement? Would this be another Seattle? Would we witness a fully formed social movement to challenge an emerging round of capitalist accumulation based upon responses to ecological, economic and social crisis (for a brief outline of this read Tadzio’s Mueller and Alexis Passadakis 20 theses on Green capitalism)? [...]

By: NM

NM — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:44:51 +0000

First I just gotta respond to crazy Greg above. If you went to a doctor and he said you have cancer, you may want a second opinion which makes sense. You go to another doctor, same thing…cancer. You go to a fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. Then the tenth one says, hell no you don’t have cancer! Is that the one you’re going to believe? Then you look at his bank statement and tobacco companies bought him a dozen yachts…that guy is just lying to get rich! Same with crazy right blogs funded by coal industry, which is throwing all their money into this because they see their polluting industry in death throes. 92% of climate scientists who agree that climate change is happening. So listen to 9 doctors who tell you to take medicine and you can live, or happily die listening to that last doctor? By the way, living in a gated community driving an hour to work in an air-conditioned cubicle with no daylight is not an improvement in lifestyle, its just a sad way to be, america.

Second, in regards to the blog. Seems simple to merely apply anarchist rhetoric to something because it has ‘capitalism’ in its title. Perhaps instead of railing against all the things wrong with the world we should promote solutions. Your solutions are: “Yes to food sovereignty, yes to degrowth, yes to radical democracy and to leaving the resources in the ground.” So why can’t capital be used to produce these solutions? Greenling is an example of a localized organic food distribution company in Texas that is doing great. Instead of degrowth, redefine growth to mean more biodiversity. Use the ‘triple bottom line’ so that corporations become resource stewards instead of resource thieves. And ‘leave the resources in the ground’ is just dumb…whatcha gonna eat?

Your blog is an example of why people don’t listen to anarchist rhetoric. You jump to far too quickly. We need to move from where we are to where we want to be. We can’t just ’smash it up’ and hope things fall nicely into place.

By: Gregory Garrett Bishop

Gregory Garrett Bishop — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:15:12 +0000

OK, This is crazy talk. Ya’ll are unhinged. First of all there’s slim to no evidence of actual climate change. Secondly the nutty leftist crazy talk ya’ll are engaging in sounds like something out of Stalin’s Russia. Not exactly a environmental paradise. Finally the anti-capitalist talk makes it sound like you refuse to acknowledge the power of free enterprise and the free market which has done more to improve the state of mankind than any other event in the history of mankind. If you want to nudge people into not using fossil fuels, I’m all for that. Taxes on fossil fuels and a huge new nuclear program COMPLETE WITH REPROCESSING to eliminate all waste is really the only alternative that will let people maintain or improve their current life style. That’s because of energy density. 337 solar collector the size of a small house are required to generate a single megawatt of electricity WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING. A single nuclear power plant can generate 300 times that much power – continuously. We’re not going to cover the planet with solar collectors or wheat or windmills, so nuclear is the only way to go. If you are opposed to letting people maintain or improve their life styles, you’ll be fought tooth and nail (as you should be). The psudo-commie leftist crazy talk doesn’t do your cause any good.

By: ASEN › SEAN Second Sundays

ASEN › SEAN Second Sundays — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:47:02 +0000

[...] discussion is ‘Green Capitalism and Alternatives’ and the readings are available at http://climateactioncafe.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/20-theses-against-green-capitalism/ and [...]

By: nbo

nbo — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:47:43 +0000

paragraphs 10 & 11 are illustrated by jean-christophe rufin’s novel “globalia”, highly recommended for reading, it’s the very update to “1984″ which has become outdated in its post-war-setting. I think the most important point to understand about green capitalism is the policy that there will not be enough for all to share. the green capitalist vision will apply to elites only. it is a roadmap to create zones of inclusion and exclusion in a way we haven’t seen yet.

thanks for the 20 theses, well done.

bye, nbo